Friday, October 17, 2008

Response to Gee and Delpit

Gee and Delpit both are dealing with the topics of Discourses, teaching literacy in the classroom, and how those things relate to students and their different experiences with language. Gee uses a lot of complex language, but I got the feeling he never really offered any solutions to the problems/opinions he presented. To me, that seemed like someone who offers insight, but ultimately thinks there is no solution. As a future teacher, I felt his article had some interesting things to say about Primary/Secondary Discourses, but had nothing that I could take to my classroom. Delpit seemed to offer a more critical analysis of language acquisition and discourse acquisition, and she seemed to give more applicable opinions to actual teachers.

Gee sets up his entire article on understanding the terms Primary and Secondary Discourses. He spends a great deal of the article breaking down these terms, and by the end of the article has come full circle in relating them to the classroom and teaching. The relevance of Gee’s terminology to literacy teaching and learning deals with understanding that each student comes from a different background and an effective teacher will begin analyzing there before jumping to any conclusions about the student’s behavior or ability to succeed. Gee builds a case that suggests students that come from various backgrounds all have a difficult time acquiring certain Secondary Discourses and teachers need to be fully aware of students backgrounds and how they relate to the challenges those students will face in the classroom.

Delpit models much of her language after Gee, especially in regards to Primary and Secondary discourses, but she takes the terminology in a different direction. Delpit’s language seems much more accessible, as well as applicable, to the classroom environment, which is in large part a comment on how she feels towards Gee. Delpit seems to feel Gee presents some information, maybe some opinions, but never gives any applicable solutions for English teachers. Instead, Delpit plays off Gee’s language and uses it in a way that offers solutions to the problems teachers encounter in the classroom, like bridging the gap between Standard English and the home discourse. The problem Delpit has with Gee is that most of his comments offer no real solutions for teachers to practice, and because of that seems to be a bit of a copout for teachers to ‘give up’ in teaching students dominant discourses.

I'd like to explore how home discourses affect student learning. For example, say a student never has had a communicative relationship with their parents. How might that impact their ability to communicate in a classroom setting?

4 comments:

Eric A said...

Good analysis of the articles. I agree that Gee is much more complex in his language use and offers numerous problems without offering possibilities for solutions. I also agree that Delpit's article is much more solution oriented and geared more towards teachers in the classrooms and bridging the gap between primary and secondary discourse.

B. T. said...

Nice response Josh,

I also got a bit of a feeling that Gee does not offer any real solutions to problem he addresses, but I also got the feeling that Delpit misinterprets the problem that Gee is addressing. It seems to me that Gee is not, as Delpit suggests, saying that teachers should "not teach" secondary discourses, but rather that they should not teach in the traditional direct instruction sort of way. Rather teachers should model discourses and invite their students into a master/apprentice relationship.

Evan said...

I thought you brought up some good points and were able to summarize and represent Gee and Delpit very well. I agree that Delpit takes a much more hands on approach and presents solutions, where as Gee seems to just be explaining an issue. I also thought the question about how zero communication on the home front would effect a students communication at school is a very interesting question.

ashmv said...

I also agree that Gee had little to say that would offer anything to a classroom. I liked how Delpit added to what Gee started as well, so that as future teachers, we could gain something from both of these artices.
I really think that you put alot of thought into your final question. Seeing what a child would be like without communication would be very interresting to see. I think that it would make great research or even a great paper. I think that you are really on to something there. This lack of communication could seriously hinder a student's future discourse in the classroom as well as everyday life.